Friday, April 27, 2012

The balance between secular based scholarship and faith based scholarship

I have always doubted those "theologians" who are atheist. In particular, I am thinking about Francesca Stavrakopoulou, who although is a biblical scholar, does not believe in the God that that scholarship talks about. But on the other hand, we have some fundamentalists, and I am thinking about the Neo-Reformed and Neo-Calvinist, that don't want any changes from their 16th century paradigm of faith.

I think this article tries, in a good way, to find a balance between the two.
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Jacob and Esau, or, On ‘Secular’ and ‘Confessional’ Biblical Studies

Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples born of you shall be divided… (Gen 25:23b)



By Jason M Silverman
Trinity College Dublin
April 2012

Recently there has been much discussion on the appropriateness of confessional approaches to the Bible within the academy and of how the discipline fits within the broader context of the liberal arts. A rather vocal group of scholars argue that faith-based perspectives have no place in the secular academy, and thus all biblical scholarship (and associated organizations) ought to be closed to such perspectives.1 There is a similar hard-line position on the other side, though proponents tend not to be overly concerned with academia in general.2 There are several interrelated fallacies that crop up in the heat of exchange, and these are worth mentioning. It is my opinion that the discipline of Biblical Studies is best served by the tension and dialogue created by retaining both approaches side-by-side.
Finite Epistemology (Or, the Fallacy of a Perspectiveless Perspective)
It is a postmodern truism to say there is no purely objective perspective. However, confessional approaches are sometimes treated as if they are more of a perspective than a ‘secular’ perspective. They are merely paradigms that operate with different assumptions. This does not mean that a paradigm cannot be critiqued nor that one cannot argue for or against a given paradigm. It does mean the argument from objectivity is at least a double-edged sword. To say that one approach is predicated on faith implies that the critique’s is predicated on something else—fair enough, but this says little on its own. One must have grounds to reject a perspective beyond it being a perspective per se.
The ‘secular’ or ‘scientific’ paradigm is based on empiricism and materialism, and it pretends to a form of objectivity. The results of this approach cannot be gainsaid. Notwithstanding its ultimate impossibility, there is certainly value in the attempt at objectivity. The world could certainly use more reason. But it must be remembered that the ideal is itself predicated on presuppositions that are outside of ‘objectivity’ itself.3 The real value of this approach, in my opinion, is threefold: insistence on the necessity of reason, the insistence on rigour, and the rejection of pre-formed conclusions.
Affirming the necessity of reason is useful, but one must also recognize that reason is neither self-sufficient—to operate, it needs a paradigm within which to function—nor limited to a single paradigm.4 The point, I argue, is to remember the human epistemological plight: we are finite, and so is our understanding.5
Faith is not Static (or, the Fallacy of Faith being Incapable of Self-Criticism)
In line with the situated-ness of all human knowledge comes the corollary that one must start somewhere. The starting point certainly shapes and selects the way information is perceived and organized. This, however, does not mean that either new information or, indeed, even the starting point, are immune to critical questioning. While central tenets of any individual’s worldview, be it religious or not, will be less prone to emendation, less prone is not the same as immune.
Threats to religious beliefs cause distress, anger, and havoc among people, certainly. But ‘secular’ academics can be no less hostile to threats to their own pet theories (or to empiricism). A faith-based starting point is not to be blamed for prejudice any more than any other cultural starting point.
There is a phenomenon whereby people hear what they want to hear, and will ignore all evidence to the contrary (a classic study of which is When Prophecy Fails).6 This is not limited merely to religious worldviews. ‘Faith’ itself is not to be blamed for a reluctance towards self-criticism or avoidance of uncomfortable information. I think that is a rather human trait.
Celebrity Mud-wrestling: Richard Dawkins versus Jerry Falwell (or, the Fallacy of the Mutual Hostility of Faith and Reason)
There is a wide-spread opinion today that faith and reason (or, religion and science) are mutually incompatible. A number of high-profile academics have attempted to throw each other into the mudpit of unreason.7 This particular ‘fallacy’ is messy as it combines several issues: 1) it treats religion and science as monolithic; 2) it equates materialism with reason; 3) it ignores the many individuals who do in fact subscribe to both camps; 4) it confuses methodology with results. There are hard-line apostles on both sides arguing for their exclusive dogmas, but I am unconvinced their congregations are very large. This opinion essay is too short to deal each, so I will focus merely on the third point: some people attempt to subscribe to both.
Quite simply, religious individuals of every age have attempted to understand their world in the terms of knowledge available to them. The way this is done has varied considerably, synchronically and diachronically. The Islamic philosophers and medieval theologians integrated Aristotle, 19thcentury thinkers Darwinism, and modern theologians everything from Marxism to String Theory. Although polemic often treats all religion as if it were Fundamentalism—and anti-religious rhetoric often takes Fundamentalist approaches to issues religious holders do not8 —this does not mean faith equals Fundamentalism. In fact, often people of faith find little to disagree with secularists on many material issues.
The work of secular scholarship is not very different; rather than working from the context of a religious community, it works from the context of secular society generally and the academy in particular. Some orthodoxies remain, while others are challenged and abandoned. Nevertheless, this approach is itself based on the authority of material and empirical approaches. In turn, religious rhetoric sometimes unfairly characterizes this approach as a deliberately iconoclastic enterprise. Neither of these characterizations of confessional nor secular approaches is wholly true.
Emic and Etic Once More (Or, Pros and Cons of Both)
Discussing approaches to the Bible recalls the old controversy in Religious Studies between internal and external approaches to a religion and the rather similar anthropological controversy between internal and external discussions of a culture.9 Quite simply, a faith-based approach relates to the interior phenomenology of religion, while a secular approach relates to its exterior phenomenology. A holistic approach requires both, as each has benefits and limitations.
An individual’s self-understanding is inaccessible from outside, and the same holds true of a community’s. A person within a community is equipped to understand that community as it understands itself, and that is valuable. Furthermore, the experience of belonging to a faith tradition can be a primer for understanding what one might call the interior phenomenology of religion, e.g., using theology, stories, and rituals in meaningful ways offers ready analogies even when studying another tradition. However, the very closeness to a tradition that enables understanding can also be a hindrance. Habits of thought and action can go ignored and unexamined, ideas become reified, and critique subsumed to continuity. For these reasons, the perspective of an outsider can be very helpful to a community.
Empiricism is an exterior position by definition, one that ideally observes disinterestedly. Such a stance is valuable for finding big pictures, asking new questions, and for broader, comparative phenomenologies. It can foster creative thinking by being free of inherited traditions, and it requires logical reasoning to operate. Such benefits can, however, tend towards reductionism and cynicism: always seeing only the social and material aspects of a religion. Thus, the benefit of a disinterested view can also make it unable to understand the participants, using categories not necessarily fitting.
When it comes to the study of the Bible, there is peculiar tension, not always relevant in all religious studies: as a text, it was written in long-dead cultures, but within two faiths which still exist and still read it. It is a historical document and a living document, a historic example of religion and one of lived religion. This is true whether a scholar approaches it from a Jewish or Christian perspective: neither faith today is identical to the communities that formed the testaments. All confessional scholars approach it both as ‘insiders’ and ‘outsiders.’ Sometimes this can be forgotten, and ‘secular’ scholars are helpful in pointing out scholarship that owes more to the present than the past.
Twins, Albeit Hostile
Perhaps I want to have my stew and eat it too, but it seems to me that Biblical Scholarship needs scholars of both ilk, to discuss, argue, and refine each. It is in the best interests of both faith communities and secular humanist scholarship to remain together in tension.10 The academic commonplaces of peer review and conferences highlight the beneficial aspects of dialogue and mutual critique, and this principle holds here too. Secular scholarship asks difficult questions and seeks rigorous answers, aiding faith-based scholars in eschewing fuzziness and intellectual laziness. It also has the ability to be ‘prophetic’ in the sense of pointing out hypocrisies and self-serving failures. On the other hand, faith-based scholarship can demonstrate the phenomenology of thoughtful religion in action. It can be sensitive to non-materialistic motivations and concerns and be more inclined to take theological elements in ancient communities and texts more seriously. Lastly, faith-based scholars are more likely to make the results of biblical scholarship available to the widest public which reads the text today: faith communities. Surely this plays an important role in public discourse generally, and the better informed, the better overall.
The competition between these kinds of approaches, I submit, is valuable to the human search for truth. ‘Truth’ is not a popular word in critical circles these days, but the idea of an honest search for truth can help clarify what is really at stake in both scholarship and in religion. By granting that even people with whom we disagree are seeking after truth, then we can still have dialogue over the obstacles to reaching it: human finitude, ulterior motivations, differing worldviews and paradigms, and level of rigour. While the two camps may never agree on the ultimate paradigm, they can profitability interact and improve each other’s methods, rigour, and point out where the other’s ideas are derived mostly from their own paradigm. Perhaps squabbling over the birthright is inevitable, but surely each can share in the academic blessing.


Notes

1 For example, http://drjimsthinkingshop.com/2011/03/sessions
-the-sbl-should-do-without/, http://chronicle.com/blogs/ brain
storm/an-afternoon-with-the-society-for-pentecostal-studies/41496, http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/met368030.
shtml, and perhaps the most famous, http://berkeley.
academia.edu/RonHendel/Papers/849556/Farewell_to_SBL_
Faith_and_Reason_ in_Biblical_Studies. Of course, this is not a new debate. See, for example, Eric J. Sharpe,Comparative Religion: a History (2nd ed. London: Duckworth, 2003 [orig. 1983]), 311–13.
2 For two few rather different examples, http://shesileizeisim.
blogspot.com/2012/01/irrelevance-of-academic-biblical.html, or “Where Would We Be Without Modern Biblical Scholarship?” on http://www.thetrumpet.com.
3 Remember that even David Hume had to admit something so standard in the empirical method as causality was an assumption.
4 For a useful critique of confusing reason with standard scientific logic, see Walter R. Fisher, Human Communication as Narration: Toward a Philosophy of Reason, Value, and Action. (Studies in Rhetoric/Communication; Columbia, SC: Univ of SC Press, 1987).
5 The real intellectual value of recognizing human epistemological finitude ought to be humility rather than epistemological nihilism, however.
6 Leon Festinger, et al., When Prophecy Fails (Minneapolis, MN: Univ of Minnesota Press, 1956). This study was applied to the question of Hebrew prophecy in a thought-provoking study, Robert P. Carroll, When Prophecy Failed: Cognitive Dissonance in the Prophetic Traditions of the Old Testament(New York: Seabury, 1979). Festinger’s theory of Cognitive Dissonance is susceptible to several critiques (notably the difficulty of disproving it), but it is still suggestive of the phenomenon itself.
7 A quick Google search will quickly find many, nasty examples on both sides. Perhaps the most famous pair are Richard Dawkins and Keith Ward. An unusually civial dialogue between Dawkins and Rowan Williams can be seen here, .
8 This is not to say that holding a secular opinion is akin to Fundamentalism, as it is not. But what it means is that they often use Fundamentalist-style, literalist readings in their rhetoric against religious perspectives.
9 For example, Headland, Thomas N., L. Kenneth Pike, and Marvin Harris, eds. Emics and Etics: the Insider/Outsider Debate. Newbury Park, CA: Sage Publications, 1990.
10 In the interests of full disclosure, I am an Anglican and a member of professional biblical bodies for Anglican scholars. I also, however, attempt to use ‘secular’ approaches to the Bible in contexts outside Christian ones.

Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Guess what Christian Zionists, Jews don't like you

Every time I see Christians supporting Israel, it makes me feel that they don't care of the fact that many Christians Palestinians are discriminated against, are not allowed to visit their own sacred sites, and have their land stolen.

I guess that Christian Zionist don't care for those of the faith, but they love Israel, Jews, are fascinated by them. This is the same thing that Paul fought against in Galatians, Christians wanting to be Jews.

Well, now we can see that all their "loving" for Israel falls on hearts of stone.The Huffington Post reports on this.


Jewish Americans hold more favorable views of Mormons and Muslims than those belonging to the "Christian Right," according to a recently published survey on Jewish values.
The findings were part of the "2012 Jewish Values Survey," which was published on April 3 by the non-Jewish Public Religion Research Institute. For the study, researchers asked 1,000 Jewish Americans to rate how favorably they view Mormons, Muslims, and members of the so-called "Christian Right" on a scale of 1 to 100.
Of the three groups, Mormons received the highest favorability rating of 47%, followed by the Muslims at 41.4%. The Christian Right, on the hand, received a much lower favorability rating of 20.9%.
 That's right, you read right, Jews in America rather side with their mortal enemies, the Muslims!!!!

"Social views of Christian conservatives have been drawing attention in recent months as an increasingly significant part of the Republican presidential primary discourse," Nathan Guttman wrote in the Daily Forward. "Attempts by GOP candidates to prove their conservative credentials in order to win over the Christian right have had, experts believe, an adverse effect on the Jewish community, turning it away from the Republican Party."
That's right!! Just in case you didn't know, American Jews overwhelmingly support gay rights, abortion, and all the other liberal agendas, that conservatives hold so dear. There may be another reason:
We suspect that Jews' warmth toward Mormons stems from solidarity with another group that is small and subject to intolerance. Jews and Mormons are the two American groups most likely to report that other people disparage their religious beliefs.
And a fellow Mormon, gives some reasons why there may be a preference from Jews to the Mormons:
"Of course, the survey also shows that Mormons have their work cut out for them when it comes to strengthening relationships with Jews. After all, 47 points out of 100 isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement," Paredes wrote. "That said, Mormons do have a big advantage over Evangelicals when it comes to Jews: Given our belief that we are covenant Israelites, our respect for Judaism is as strong as our support for Israel. When Evangelicals can say the same, they will have more success with Jewish outreach." 
So there you go, keep on spending your time, and empty "spiritual" force on people who are so aligned against the Gospel. Once Christians start preaching the Gospel to Jews, then that kind of support is the one that they need so badly.

I've said it once, I will say again, that "Christian" Zionism, is not Christianity, period!!!!

Aussie Pentecostalism

Thursday, April 12, 2012

Some visions some people may have during prayer time


Israelis love Jerusalem, but don't want to even visit it

John Calvin on Music


It is certain that the use of singing in churches (which I may mention in passing) is not only very ancient, but was also used by the Apostles, as we may gather from the words of Paul, “I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also,” (1 Cor. 14:15). In like manner he says to the Colossians, “Teaching and admonishing one another in psalms, and hymns, and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord,” (Col. 3:16). In the former passage, he enjoins us to sing with the voice and the heart; in the latter, he commends spiritual Songs, by which the pious mutually edify each other.
That it was not an universal practice, however, is attested by Augustine (Confess. Lib. 9 cap. 7), who states that the church of Milan first began to use singing in the time of Ambrose, when the orthodox faith being persecuted by Justina, the mother of Valentinian, the vigils of the people were more frequent than usual; and that the practice was afterwards followed by the other Western churches. He had said a little before that the custom came from the East.485 He also intimates (Retract. Lib. 2) that it was received in Africa in his own time. His words are, “Hilarius, a man of tribunitial rank, assailed with the bitterest invectives he could use the custom which then began to exist at Carthage, of singing hymns from the book of Psalms at the altar, either before the oblation, or when it was distributed to the people; I answered him, at the request of my brethren.” And certainly if singing is tempered to a gravity befitting the presence of God and angels, it both gives dignity and grace to sacred actions, and has a very powerful tendency to stir up the mind to true zeal and ardor in prayer. We must, however, carefully beware, lest our ears be more intent on the music than our minds on the spiritual meaning of the words.
Augustine confesses (Confess. Lib. 10 cap. 33) that the fear of this danger sometimes made him wish for the introduction of a practice observed by Athanasius, who ordered the reader to use only a gentle inflection of the voice, more akin to recitation than singing. But on again considering how many advantages were derived from singing, he inclined to the other side. If this moderation is used, there cannot be a doubt that the practice is most sacred and salutary. On the other hand, songs composed merely to tickle and delight the ear are unbecoming the majesty of the Church, and cannot but be most displeasing to God (Institutes 3.20.32).

Wednesday, April 11, 2012

HOW TO LOSE YOUR INFLUENCE IN THEOLOGY

1. Be Imbalanced: Militantly focus on a particular non-essential issue. Whether it be in defense of a particular Bible translation or a particular view of the end times, make it your purpose to push for the necessity of the acceptance of something that is not part of the historic Christian faith. Oh, and be passionately relentless about it.
2. Overstate your case: Always use phrases like “That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard” or “Nothing could be clearer.” That way your audience knows that you have never really studied the issue. While your goal is to distance a false position from one that is true, you have really just separated yourself from having a true impact.
3. Misrepresent your opponents: This is often called a “straw man.” It is where you represent your opponent in the worst possible light, bringing up their worst arguments and making them very easy to dismantle. This shows your fear of looking your opponents directly in the eyes.
4. Obscure the options: Act as if your belief is the only option out there. Don’t ever let those under you know that there are others who disagree or that there are even any other positions. If you do, make it sound as if they are flat-earthers and preemptively poison the well, making them look really stupid. 
5. Get defensive: When someone challenges you or your position, become militantly defensive or demeaning. A good thing to do is to immediately attack the person who is challenging you. This is called an ad hominem or “to the man.” When you do this, you don’t engage their arguments, but you become defensive and attack the person. Call the person a liar. That is a good one. It’s not that they just have come to the wrong conclusion, but that they are definitely a liar.
6. Lack of grace: Sure the Bible talks about gentleness and respect in defending your faith, but we can ignore that when the person holds to really bad doctrine. Immediately respond with the opposite of gentleness and grace: harshness and judgment. It is the Christian thing to do. Act as if you are the way you are because of your own righteousness.
7. Be perpetually non-committal: Be in fear of what others will think. Be in fear of being offensive. Call it grace, call it tolerance, call it whatever, but don’t ever take any definite stand. In every situation be timid, walk on theological eggshells, and never ever, ever act as if your view is the right view to the exclusion of others. Qualify everything you say with “this is just my opinion” or “to me.”
8. Define yourself by what you are against. Rejoice when someone goes astray because now you have something to do. Be an attack dog for God and the watchdog for the bride of Christ. Go on heresy hunts, never looking to your own failures, but day and night, night and day, bring attention to the apostasy out there. Good news does not bring publicity, so only focus on the bad. Someone gone astray? Open for business.

Monday, April 9, 2012

The rudest countries. I always knew that the French were rude

Sometime ago there was  a publication  about the world's worst tourists, Now, there's a new one, about the world's rudest countries.

The French have taken top spot, which actually does not surprise me at all.

The USA is number 7 in the list. The one thing I hate is that whenever I arrive there, the airport immigration officers are so rude, makes me want to come back to Australia. They give such a bad impression of the country, they should be fired.

British man 'fathered 600 children' , but not naturally of course!!

When I read the first words of this news item, I thought "this guy must be the strongest man alive". And the sinful chauvinist in me said "this is my new hero!!!". But no, this guys was really playing with people's hopes.


A British man may have fathered 600 children by repeatedly using his own sperm in a fertility clinic he ran, it has emerged.Bertold Wiesner and his wife Mary Barton founded a fertility clinic in London in the 1940s and helped women conceive 1,500 babies.It was thought that the clinic used a small number of highly intelligent friends as sperm donors but it has now emerged that around 600 of the babies were conceived using sperm from Mr Wiesner himself.
This is totally evil. How could he be lying to people desperate to have babies.

And why is it that there shouldn't be so many "donations" from just one man?


Two men conceived at the clinic, Barry Stevens a film-maker from Canada and David Gollancz, a barrister in London, have researched the centre and DNA tests suggest Mr Wiesner, an Austrian biologist, provided two thirds of the donated sperm.Such a practice is outlawed now but at the time it was not known that Mr Wiesner was providing the majority of the samples.The same sperm donor should not be used to create so many children because of the risk that two of the offpsring will unwittingly meet and start a family of their own, which could cause serious genetic problems in their children.
This guy knew what he was doing, yet, broke the rules, and put many families at risk of genetic diseases.


Read the entire entry, and if you or someone else wants to take this step, research the clinic you are thinking of using. 

Bob Larson exploiting his own daughters and young girls for attention

This is totally madness. I guess that Larson wants to copy Philip's daughters that prophesied in the book of Acts.

If you want to read more about this crazy new trend, you can read it here.

I wonder where in the Bible we find to put the Bible in people's neck, head, or anywhere else in order to get a demon out. Also, where do you see in the Bible somebody using holy water to cast out demons.  Totally madness. How can you be holding the Bible in order to claim its authority, while doing things that the Bible talks nothing about, holy water and Bible bashing demon possessed people?? That is beyond me!!!


Watch the video, and be "sensationalised".

A clown, an attention whore who is desperate to stay in the spotlight.

Saturday, April 7, 2012

Jesus' Triumphal entry to Jerusalem Palm Sunday

Last week's sermon.

Facebook under-rated paganism


Ok
1- The angels don't have a say in the matter.  They don't decide when things begin and they don't decide when things are over.

2- The Bible never, not once, tells us that we must 'believe in angels'.  In fact, that's idolatry.  We believe IN God, not created things and angels (if you accept that they exist at all) are nothing more than creatures.  They aren't omniscient.  They aren't omnipresent.  They aren't omnipotent.  They're mere creatures.

3- If some 'angel' is 'testing you' to see whether or not you'll repost a picture on Facebook they have too much time on their hands and need to get busy with their real task which, according to Hebrews, is
οὐχί πᾶς εἰμί λειτουργικός πνεῦμα εἰς διακονία ἀποστέλλω διά ὁ μέλλω κληρονομέω σωτηρία (Heb 1:14).

If your 'angelology' says more than that of them, you're in error and in danger of heretical belief.  And if you get your theology from Facebook picture postings, repent.


Ten videos that will help you answer questions from skeptics

This Easter Week, Credo House Ministries is presenting a new video each day on Ten Myths About the Resurrection, featuring Dr. Michael Licona. If yousubscribe to their newsletter, they will send one to your inbox every day. Check out the Credo House Vimeo Channel for Mike Licona's presentation of all ten myths:

Myth 1: Contradictions in the Gospels
Myth 2: Pagan Parallels in the Mystery Religions
Myth 3: The Fraud Theory
Myth 4: Hallucinations
Myth 5: It's a Matter of Faith
Myth 6: Apparent Death Theory
Myth 7: It Was Merely Legend
Myth 8: Science Proves that Resurrections Cannot Occur
Myth 9: Not Enough Evidence
Myth 10: Lost Gospels

A very enlightening graphic


Friday, April 6, 2012

Ten Rock Stars who are believers in Christ


Rock stars seem to have it all: incredible wealth, the adoration of millions of fans, a high-flying lifestyle of private jets and exclusive parties. But the fame, fortune and hectic lifestyle leave many stars feeling empty and searching for meaning. Some end up finding fulfillment by converting to Christianity. Here are 10 rock musicians who devoted their life to Jesus Christ.


10. Mark Farner

Mark Farner became a born-again Christian in the late 1980s.
Photo credit: CCA-SA 3.0 Chris Muller

Grand Funk Railroad defined the arena rock scene of the early 1970s and even gave the era a theme song, the 1973 hit single,We’re an American Band. As the frontman for the band, guitarist and lead vocalist Mark Farner, playing bare-chested, seemed to epitomize the image of rock icon. But Grand Funk’s heyday was short-lived, and the band’s success fizzled as the 1980s began. Later in the decade, Farner found a new calling, releasing the Christian music album Just Another Injustice. With tracks such as Judgment Day Blues and Come To Jesus, it was clear Farner had changed. Farner has recorded other contemporary Christian CDs since then, including If It Wasn’t For Grace.


9. Nicko McBrain

Nicko McBrain proclaimed his Christianity in 1998.
Photo credit: CCA 2.0 Adels

Regarded as one of the greatest heavy metal drummers of all time, McBrain has been with the band Iron Maiden since 1982. Iron Maiden’s CDs, bearing names such as The Number of the Beast and featuring the demonic-looking character “Eddie,” have long been targeted by Christian organizations. McBrain gave his life to Christ in 1999 in an emotional experience after going to church with his wife, Rebecca. As McBrain told Willow Creek Association News, he prayed to receive Christ, and began to read the Bible. “I had this love affair with Jesus going on in my heart,” he said. McBrain still tours with the band, playing the songs that made the band popular. He’s also part of the worship music team at his church in Florida. He believes his seemingly incongruous lifestyle is part of the Lord’s plan. McBrain has given his testimony in front of heavy metal fans, and seen them commit their life to Jesus and he also frequently talks with fellow Iron Maiden members about his beliefs.

“I can’t say to you that I’m trying to convert all these guys in my band to be Christians,” McBrain told Canada.com in 2009. “I’m leading them on my route, and if they choose to follow what God’s plan is in the Bible, that’s up to them. I say to them all, you know, look, in my belief, at the moment, if you turn to your savior Jesus Christ, I’ll have eternal life in Heaven with you!”


8. John Davis


Davis helped found the alternative band Superdrag, which enjoyed some success in the 1990s. The singer and guitarist spent much of that time battling an alcohol addiction. Finally, in November 2001, Davis had a chilling moment while driving down the highway. “At first, I started to feel really uncomfortable,” he told CBN.com “I just started to feel funny, and I didn’t really know why. The next thing I knew, for lack of a better term, I just went into a cold sweat. All of a sudden, I just knew that God was dealing with me. … I knew that the void in my heart, my life, would never be filled with a liquor bottle, or anything else, but Him. I said, ‘Lord, I’m tired of running. I’m tired. Give me peace.’ It was like a cool breeze, a cool wave.” Since then, Davis has released two solo Christian rock CDs.


7. Dan Spitz

Dan Spitz was lead guitarist for Anthrax before finding God.
Photo credit: CC BY-NC-SA 2.0 Steve White

Spitz was the lead guitarist for one of the seminal thrash metal bands, Anthrax, during the 1980s and 1990s, ripping away on songs such as Spreading the Disease and Deathrider. Suddenly, in the mid-1990s, Spitz lost interest in the music. “I just lost the love of playing that type of music,” Spitz told BeliefNet.com. “I can’t even explain it. I didn’t even want to touch my guitar — when I did it was almost like a burning sensation. Wacky stuff. I didn’t play for almost four years.” In 2000, Spitz, who was raised in a Jewish home, became a Messianic Jew, a religious blend that upholds Jewish customs while acknowledging that salvation is only possible by accepting Jesus as one’s savior.


6. Bob Marley

Bob Marley reportedly converted to Christianity upon his baptism the year before his death.
Photo credit: CCA-SA 2.0 Eddie

Marley helped popularize reggae music and was a revered figure in Jamaica. He also helped expand the Rastafari religious movement, which worships longtime Ethiopian emperor Haile Selassie I as the reincarnation of Jesus. There is much circumstantial evidence that Marley, who died of cancer in 1981, proclaimed his faith in Jesus when the archbishop of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church baptized him in 1980. Then, as now, those who are baptized in that church must do so in the name of Jesus, not Haile Selassie I. According to prayerfoundation.org, Marley’s mother said his final words were, “Jesus take me.”


5. Jin Au-Yeung

MC Jin is known as the
Photo credit: CCA 2.0 Photoren

Jin Au-Yeung (aka MC Jin) earned notoriety as the first Asian-American rap artist to be signed to a major record label. Lesser known was his devotion to Jesus, something he’d first explored during Sunday school classes as a child. Now billed as a Christian rapper, Au-Yeung can be seen throwing down lyrics such as, “but the breaks over Holy Spirit takeover/they say the truth will set you free if you so believe/Jesus is the truth with Him freedom can be achieved.”


4. Rick Derringer

Rick Derringer has recorded contemporary Christian music.
Photo credit: CCA-SA 3.0 Jimsummariaphoto.com

Derringer found fame in the music world at age 17, playing guitar on The McCoy’s No. 1 hit Hang On Sloopy in 1965. A few years later, after a stint in Johnny Winter’s band, he launched a solo career. He’s remembered primarily for his 1973 hit singleRock and Roll, Hoochie Koo, which still gets airplay on classic rock stations, but he’s also played on recordings by Kiss, Alice Cooper, Steely Dan and Cyndi Lauper. Since proclaiming his faith in Jesus several years ago, Derringer has reworked his biggest hit with new wording (“Read the Word, Live it Too”) and recorded contemporary Christian music.


3. Brian “Head” Welch

Brian Welch wrote a book about his newfound faith in God.
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Former guitarist and co-founder of the nu-metal group Korn, Welch’s guitar skills were enough to land him at No. 26 on Guitar World’s “100 Greatest Metal Guitarists of all Time” list in 2004. But fame and fortune weren’t enough for Welch, who developed addictions to alcohol, methamphetamines and sleeping pills. Finally, in 2005, Welch found God. He was baptized in the River Jordan in March 2005. As he later explained in a Full Armor of God radio interview. "I was walking one day, just doing my rock and roll thing making millions of bucks, you know success and everything, addicted to drugs and then the next day I had Revelation of Christ and I was like, everything changes right now!" Welch detailed his spiritual awakening in his provocatively titled book, Save Me from Myself: How I Found God, Quit Korn, Kicked Drugs, and Lived to Tell My Story.


2. Dave Mustaine

Dave Mustaine was a member of both Metallica and Megadeth before finding God.
Mustaine hit it big not once, but twice in the heavy metal world, serving first as an early member of Metallica and later as the co-founder of the band Megadeth. His musical skills are profound — one influential book named him the Greatest Metal Guitarist of all Time. But there was a dark side to the fame. He battled an alcohol addiction (which got him booted from Metallica). He dabbled in witchcraft. By the early 2000s, Mustaine was sick of touring, tired of his fellow bandmates, and generally down on his life. As Mustaine later told an interviewer, “Looking up at the cross, I said six simple words, ‘What have I got to lose?’ Afterwards, my whole life has changed. It’s been hard, but I wouldn’t change it for anything. Rather than go my whole life believing that there is a God and find out there isn't, than live my whole life thinking there isn't a God and then find out, when I die, that there is."


1. Alice Cooper

Alice Cooper has been a Christian for many years.
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Alice Cooper thrilled teenagers and horrified their parents with his wild stage shows in the 1970s featuring boa constrictors, mock executions and plenty of androgynous ambiguity (“Why is your name Alice?”). It was shocking stuff at the time, but it earned Alice Cooper (aka Vincent Furnier) induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Fast forward almost 40 years, and many people are just as shocked to learn that Cooper is a born-again Christian, and has been for many years. Cooper admits his initial draw to Jesus was mostly out of fear: “I did not want to go to hell.”

Cooper is somewhat reluctant to take on the mantle of celebrity “born-again Christian,” telling Hard Music Magazine, “Being a Christian is something you just progress in. You learn. You go to your Bible studies. You pray. … it’s real easy to focus on Alice Cooper and not on Christ. I’m a rock singer. … I consider myself low on the totem pole of knowledgeable Christians. So, don’t look for answers from me.” Cooper continues to tour, playing hits from his heyday in the 1970s and ’80s, minus some of the hard-core elements of the stage show. For those who criticize that decision, Cooper noted, “I’m a new creature now. Don’t judge Alice by what he used to be. Praise God for what I am now.”